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THE ROLLING STONES
Algo 219057
Algo 219057
WSS_Gold100oz
WSS_Gold100oz
Darwini...F Rotation
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YZ income fund
YZ income fund
Aroma of Cash
Aroma of Cash
The Spir...as Darvas.
The Spirit of Nicolas Darvas.
Two Cents
Two Cents
Pangolin IC
Pangolin IC
Goldmetre B
Goldmetre B
Algo 175356
Algo 175356
QuantAlphaMR
QuantAlphaMR
US Stock Trader
US Stock Trader
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Too numb
BOB DYLAN
BOB DYLAN
SPX Edge
SPX Edge
SolidOptionTrader
SolidOptionTrader
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TradingEF ex Nasdaq CIS
Profit Warrior
Profit Warrior
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Optimized Partners IV
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TSX Mini
TSX Mini
The Equalizer
The Equalizer
ATPro
ATPro
Algotrades-Futures
Algotrades-Futures
Spiderman
Spiderman
ESThunder
ESThunder
SP100 S...erm Swing
SP100 Short Term Swing
LoDo... MICRO
LoDoFINANCIAL MICRO
Mean Re...ly System
Mean Reversal ES Daily System
EXN Futures
EXN Futures
Compoun...me Stream
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DailyMiner
DailyMiner
I've been a subscriber for over 3 months and have been very happy with the performance. I had to ride out a $5K drawdown within the first month of trading, but glad I stuck it out. I use Trader68 to autotrade it, but it seems like it could be manually traded easily since the signals usually occur at the beginning of the evening session. Can't beat the current subscription price of $29/mo (although the system description indicates the price will go up to a reasonable $149/mo at some point).
YZ income fund
YZ income fund

The people who blame and scold this system developer really haven't understood and accepted the risk inherent in trading volatility.
It's easy to intellectually accept a size-able draw-down but the reality is that most really haven't accepted that is always around the next
corner and it always hurts. The emotional reaction to the pain is understandable but the reality of mean reversion systems is that
too tight risk controls degrade performance and in order to maximize performance painful draw-downs are inevitable.
I don't think we ever get comfortable with that pain or should we, but acceptance of it is crucial to performance.

Check out the drawdowns in other volatility systems over any similar length of time you will see the current draw-down in this system is very low in comparision and the risk reward is very high.
THE ROLLING STONES
THE ROLLING STONES
System with too much risk, continuously positions experienced a big drawdown to earn money, the owner of the system is always moving down the stops losses.
I think the system only earn money because we was in a uptrend, when this change the account can be blood up without any problem.
I use this system and "the beattles" of the same owner, and both are too risky, systems than risk more than 10% even sometimes 20% of your account for a single position in the end lost money.
THE ROLLING STONES
THE ROLLING STONES
I am a new subscriber - not even two months yet.
This system is definitely not for the faint of heart, but no trading is.
if you let go of your trading ideas and execute the trading signals without modifying or "improving" the system - it's profitable and very exciting when it wins.
I hope I have the guts to follow every trading signal in the future to experience the full potential of the system.I rate it high because of the final results, and that's what counts.

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Subject:C2 fees for forex auto trade
Posted by:
George Eberhardt
George Eberhardt
I want to autotrade forex at Interactive Brokers. But I need to know how c2 charges for this service, so I can determine if it has a chance of being profitable?
Subject:C2 fees for forex auto trade
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ND Support
ND Support
According to this page:

http://www.collective2.com/about-autotrade

you can only trade Forex at IB with a Gen 1 program. Here are the fees associated with our Gen 1 autotrading product, Trader68:

http://www.trader68.com/order/

Subject:C2 fees for forex auto trade
Posted by:
Melissa Karty
Melissa Karty
You are able to AutoTrade at IB using the $99 per month Gen3 license. I'll contact you via email.
Subject:C2 fees for forex auto trade
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ND Support
ND Support
Sorry if we posted incorrect information, but the footnote seemed pretty clear that FX was not available for Gen3 with IB:

Interactive Brokers. USA Customers who want to use Gen3 AutoTrade technology can trade futures only. If you are a USA customer and want to trade other instrument classes, you can use Gen1 AutoTrade technology to trade stocks, futures, and forex through Interactive Brokers. Non-USA customers can use Gen3 technology to trade stocks, options, and futures through Interactive Brokers.

I would recommend you update this text if FX can in fact be autotraded at IB with Gen3 as you indicated.
Subject:C2 Score
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J F
J F
A few questions:
1. Can anyone explain why a C2 score would fluctuate back and forth from 70 to as high as 97, which is happening with a recent system I have developed?

2. Awhile back there was talk about changing the weighted structure of the formula for generating a C2 score. Has this been implemented yet?

3. Does the C2 score determine the placement of a system in the Popular Systems (in my case Futures) page.
Subject:C2 Score
Posted by:
richard haines
richard haines
I am wondering the the C2 score is for an individual signal or does it include signals published years ago.
Subject:C2 Score
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T SH
T SH
It seems its based on all signals of the developer ...
Subject:payment only if the system has earned during the month.
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Mirrortrading Com
Mirrortrading Com
HI, this feauture is removed? where is it?
payment only if the system has earned during the month.
Subject:payment only if the system has earned during the month.
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Mirrortrading Com
Mirrortrading Com
Please, an answer.
Subject:payment only if the system has earned during the month.
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Alen Salvador
Alen Salvador
Hello. Yes, the whole "pay-only-if-preceding-period-was-profitable" business model is being phased out (new systems cannot choose it, old systems that already chose it can continue to use it). So going forward we have simplified things: You can set up your system to charge on a monthly basis, with an optional free trial period at the beginning of the subscription.
Subject:payment only if the system has earned during the month.
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Jon Hunt
Jon Hunt
Why are you removing this feature? So I can pay for a system that also loses money? I'm sure I'm not alone when I say it's only fair to pay for a system that is making money.
Subject:payment only if the system has earned during the month.
Posted by:
Matthew Klein
Matthew Klein
It was removed to enhance site simplicity, and to reduce compliance/regulatory issues. We still allow system developers to offer free trial periods for their systems.
Subject:paid subscribers
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SPREVE TRADINGSYSTEM
SPREVE TRADINGSYSTEM
hi,
is there a way to know how many paid subscribers a system have?
thanks
LP
Subject:paid subscribers
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Melissa Karty
Melissa Karty
Hi - We recently removed the feature that showed number of subscribers. We may bring it back with some modifications, but for now it is not available.
Subject:paid subscribers
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Kevin McGrath
Kevin McGrath
Just make it part of the Grid. Lots of folks keep asking for this to be added as part of the system descriptions. Just add a column on the Grid for current paid subscribers.
Subject:paid subscribers
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Nian Liu
Nian Liu
suggest to show number of paid subscribers only(both "all time" and "current"). to show number including trial subscribers which quit before pay is very misleading.

my guess is that what "Auto Traders(all time)" shows now is the number including the trial subscribers. is that right, MK?
Subject:paid subscribers
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Mean Reversal Trading
Mean Reversal Trading
I don't think it is helpful by showing the number of subscribers as this would lead to a dangerous scenario of the herd syndromes. Just look at how this affected subscribers who picked the YZ income fund due to its popularity. Subscribers should make their selection decision based on C2's massive systems performance statistics.
Subject:paid subscribers
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Nian Liu
Nian Liu
either show paid subscribers only or remove the subscribers/autotraders info totally(system homepage/system finder page) is acceptable for me
Subject:paid subscribers
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Mirrortrading Com
Mirrortrading Com
I agree with
Mean Reversal Trading
Subject:paid subscribers
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Kevin McGrath
Kevin McGrath
The information may drive a "herd mentality", but that is a somewhat disparaging comment about the subscribers here at C2. I assume that everyone here can make up their own minds.

A system doing well will draw subscribers, but the number of subscribers does not relate to whether or not a system blows up - that is usually due to other factors like changing the system rules or a sudden market change.
Subject:paid subscribers
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Phylum Financial
Phylum Financial
Why do you want to know how many subscribers a system has?

Are you going to join a system just because it is popular?

Are you going to avoid a system just because it is not popular?

What if it is a great system for you? You are going to pass on it because it is not popular?

The info is not a useful metric for subscribers. It is not going to help keep people out of bad systems. It will keep people out of good systems, if they are not popular.

There are very few systems on C2 that have a good number of paid subscribers.
Subject:paid subscribers
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Phylum Financial
Phylum Financial
Kevin,

If system developers wants to put subscriber information in their system's descriptions, they can do that.

Problem solved.

Subject:paid subscribers
Posted by:
Mean Reversal Trading
Mean Reversal Trading
I have been an active contributing member on a popular trading website for many years and provided guidance to many traders particularly those who are new to trading. One common behavior I observed was that many new traders had a tendency to find a short-cut to profits rather than investing in the hard work of doing researches and experiments before they trade live. Providing the paid subscribers information could be dangerous to those who prefer to take a shortcut for their decisions making rather than learning to digest the systems performance data and understanding the inherent risks associated to a method before they invest their hard-earned money. Just my 2 cents. Happy trading !
Subject:Compounding Value
Posted by:
richard haines
richard haines
Does anybody know what happened to the signal Compounding Value? Down 58% this month.
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