Hypothetical Monthly Returns (includes typical commissions and system fees)
|Instruments||Mostly Options; (some stocks)|
|Strategies||Technical analysis, Volatility trading, Market timing|
|System started||6/8/2011 (24 months ago)|
Vision Associates, LLC
(Last login to C2: 5/7/13 8:45)
C2 Score: 873
Vendor has created 1 other system. Show
The name of this system has been changed 1 time. Show
System creator requested that closed trades data below be delayed by three days.
Note that the system currently has an open, losing position which is not being displayed to non-subscribers.
|Hypothetical Trading Results|
|11/29/12 11:38||BUY||2||UCO1222X28||UCO Dec12 28 put (exp 12/22/2012)||1.65||12/23
|11/27/12 13:41||BUY||4||SPXS1222L17||SPXS Dec12 17 call (exp 12/22/2012)||1.30||12/23
|11/20/12 13:06||BUY||1||ERX1222X46||ERX Dec12 46 put (exp 12/22/2012)||3.00||12/23
|11/15/12 11:28||BUY||1||SSO1222X55||SSO Dec12 55 put (exp 12/22/2012)||2.81||12/23
|11/16/12 12:21||BUY||1||SPXL1222L75||SPXL Dec12 75 call (exp 12/22/2012)||4.70||11/20
|10/22/12 15:25||BUY||1||SQQQ1217W42||SQQQ Nov12 42 put (exp 11/17/2012)||3.10||11/18
|11/12/12 11:26||BUY||3||SLV1217W31.5||SLV Nov12 31.50 put (exp 11/17/2012)||0.47||11/16
|11/9/12 14:48||BUY||2||DUST1217K25||DUST Nov12 25 call (exp 11/17/2012)||2.20||11/12
|10/23/12 9:58||BUY||2||TLT1217K122||TLT Nov12 122 call (exp 11/17/2012)||2.06||10/26
|10/19/12 12:00||BUY||2||TLT1217K120||TLT Nov12 120 call (exp 11/17/2012)||2.82||10/26
|10/19/12 11:55||BUY||2||SQQQ1217K39||SQQQ Nov12 39 call (exp 11/17/2012)||3.20||10/22
|10/2/12 9:46||BUY||4||FXE1220V130||FXE Oct12 130 put (exp 10/20/2012)||2.06||10/19
|10/17/12 13:54||BUY||3||VIX1221K15||CBOE Volatility Index (VIX.XO) Nov12 15||2.40||10/19
|10/16/12 14:30||BUY||2||IWM1217W83||IWM Nov12 83 put (exp 11/17/2012)||1.64||10/17
|10/9/12 14:41||BUY||2||UCO1220V31||UCO Oct12 31 put (exp 10/20/2012)||1.25||10/15
|Chance of 50% account loss||1.0%|
|Chance of 100% account loss||0.0%|
|Average Profit to Drawdown (APD)||-0.15|
|Average P/L per unit traded||($12.93)|
Results speak for themselves.
I think this system has an upside, but it didn't work for me while auto trading. I lost 10 times the subscription with one good trade and one really bad trade, yet still it was a small percentage of my account. It seems the system might get back my losses, but I decided to move my money and apply it to another system on C2. The developer is very good a communicating current trade status, market conditions and possible trend. I don't doubt the system will be successful, plus the system is one of the better ones for options. I will be unsubscribing soon, but I wish the system the best.
I most certainly appreciate the positive focus of your comments on the creditable aspects of S&P Swing. I do understand that S&P Swing is not suited for everyone’s preferences, goals, desires or trading styles, even if it is for me or for others. I wish you well with the choice of your next system.
I must admit that the trading conditions since the August 8th equities bottom have been extremely challenging, even considering the variety of aspects through which I view the markets in general. As most know, the back and forth between high volatility (prior) and low volatility (more recent) is a common and accepted aspect of market action. Evaluation of any systems performance is best done under a variety of conditions. As you imply, obviously other system developers have experienced this ‘squeeze’, from the similarities of lower average performance characteristics over the past 30 days, for many systems. My consistency of ranking in this time frame reflects this ‘averaging’ of all systems for current conditions.
Regarding conditions, one of my parameters, based upon a major stock index, shows an average of 1% variation over the past 6 weeks. This one condition alone establishes an environment for either quick trading (I will NOT allow this to become a day trading system), lower probability trading, or, no trading. Commodities such as crude oil, silver and gold have also observed muted behavior recently. Witness the smaller average profits on my most recent positive trades, reflecting quicker than desired, back-and-forth movements in trading ranges of several markets.
I am not yet prepared to account for the advantages/disadvantages of auto-trading at this point in my system development. I will be better prepared in the future for this aspect, after maintaining focus on stability, growth rate, etc. as primary goals. I have already experienced an auto-trading exit aspect for which I must first adjust for my systems profit goals. I must further optimize for additional auto-trading traits later. I understand that some subscribers received proper fills on one particular trade, while undesirable effects (market orders executed rather than limit orders) were encountered on some auto-traded accounts.
Two other unprofitable trades, to which you might possibly refer, whether or not affected by auto-trading, were either far outside of normal deviations, in one case, and, in the other case, ultimately reverted to expected levels just days after my exit, taken for technical aspects and a desire to free up remaining capital and to move to more profitable opportunities.
Regarding the loss of fees, I have been told by at least one other subscriber who had made many months subscription fees on a trade or two as well, specifically having created over 30 times his fees within the first 6 weeks using my system. Even sacrificing some of this gain within losses would have been expected at some point.
As far as the multiple of fees lost, if my fee were tripled, your loss would only a little over 3 times your fee, rather than 10. Therefore, I take that part as a compliment.
Once again, beyond auto-trade, this is all about the conditions present in the short time frame in question.
Exceptional timing and good variety of traded instruments and markets. Very promising first few months' results, excellent communication with the developer - what else could you ask for?
Remarkable directional option picks and management. Short record here. Great timing. Doesnt trade often and limited risk when does.
It's only two months old, but the excellent trade history speaks for itself. Very responsive developer, who seems to be paying close attention to his trades.
Dear S&P Swing Guru, I have been following all of your twelve (12) trades (11 winners and one negligible loser) as of today and wish I had gotten in all the winners â€“ DARN. I paper traded nine (9) of them and actually dipped my toe into the water on two of them. Glad I did. Got my first winner (2 Aug SSO 53 puts at $1.75 and got out at $3.20) and I got my second winner (2 Aug SSO 55 puts at $1.92 and got out at $3.50). My average percent profit is over 80% for both trades. You have a great system at a bargain price. Thank you very much and keep it up!
Approximately 70% of all equity and sector movement dictates the motion and direction of individual equities, narrower sectors, ETFs., etc. This system uses a broader combination of daily, weekly and monthly support/resistance boundaries, common moving averages, short-to-medium term sentiment indicators, broad fundamentals, including price/earnings ratios, and long term pivot indicators. In addition, technical measurement with respect to specific historical and cyclical references are appropriately applied. To moderate risk, 85% or more the entire portfolio will remain in cash at all times. I am aiming for single and doubles, not home runs. The average of winning trades are 'diluted' into the much larger cash account. Even rare, large losers will be 3% of the total account or less. Strict, rule-based limitations are imposed against overexposure to the possibility of adverse market conditions. In addition to S&P related signals, signals for gold/silver index, silver, crude oil, euro, 20-year bond and selected foreign markets are available when appropriate opportunities appear. Due to administrative and communications responsibilities, subscribers are limited to an unpublished maximum number.
"There are as many ways to find success as a swing trader as there are window ledges on Wall Street." - Jon Markman
- This System Description text was submitted by the creator of this strategy. Collective2 verifies only trading signals and hypothetical trading results. We have not verified that this text above is an accurate system description. Remember there is a substantial risk of loss in trading. Past performance is not indicative of future results. Do not trade with money you cannot afford to lose.