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System 64862505




Hypothetical Monthly Returns (includes typical commissions and system fees)

 JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec
2011                                                 +14.9%+163.0%+121.7%+1.4%(35.1%)
2012(11.5%)+23.3%(25.4%)(14.8%)(94.9%)(21803.3%)  -    -    -    -    -    -  
2013  -    -    -    -    -    -                                      
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Technical Analysis:  Moving Average daysX

Instruments Mostly Stocks; (some options)
Strategies Technical analysis, Volatility trading, Market timing
System started 8/22/2011 (22 months ago)
System developer RationalWealthManagement.com
(Last login to C2: 6/18/13 10:16)
C2 Score: 969

Vendor has created 60 other systems. Show
The name of this system has been changed 2 times. Show
StatusThis system is no longer supported.



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Hypothetical Trading Results
Opened ETB/S#Symbol PriceClosedPriceRiskP/L
6/23/12 9:00 BUY 1,953,200 FAS DIREXION DF BULL 3X 28.00 6/25
9:54
26.50 Extreme ($2,968,857)
6/23/12 9:00 BUY 266,000 SPY STANDARD & POOR'S DEPOSITARY 133.00 6/25
9:54
131.52 Extreme ($398,999)
6/23/12 9:01 BUY 14,000 TNA DIREXION SHRS SML BLL 3X 24.00 6/25
9:48
23.58 Normal ($6,160)
6/23/12 9:00 BUY 7,000 UNG US NATURAL GAS FUND ETF 18.00 6/25
9:48
18.72 n/a $4,900
6/23/12 9:01 BUY 1,750 TBT PROSHS ULTSHRT US TR ETF 60.00 6/25
9:48
62.08 n/a $3,605
6/22/12 12:50 BUY 70 TBT1222F15 TBT Jun12 15 call (exp 06/22/2012) 0.87 6/23
9:01
0.00 Normal ($6,157)
6/22/12 12:01 BUY 70 TNA1222F48 TNA Jun12 48 call (exp 06/22/2012) 0.95 6/23
9:00
0.00 Normal ($6,717)
6/22/12 11:33 BUY 70 UNG1222F18 UNG Jun12 18 call (exp 06/22/2012) 0.29 6/23
9:00
0.00 Low ($2,097)
6/22/12 11:07 BUY 2,100 FAZ1222R24 FAZ Jun12 24 put (exp 06/22/2012) 0.06 6/23
9:00
0.00 Normal ($13,895)
6/22/12 10:25 BUY 6,580 FAS1222F84 FAS Jun12 84 call (exp 06/22/2012) 0.36 6/23
9:00
0.00 Extreme ($238,438)
6/22/12 10:15 BUY 2,660 SPY1222F133 SPY Jun12 133 call (exp 06/22/2012) 0.29 6/23
9:00
0.00 Extreme ($80,787)
6/21/12 9:57 BUY 490 AGQ1222R38 AGQ Jun12 38 put (exp 06/22/2012) 0.55 6/22
10:03
1.40 Normal $40,719
6/20/12 10:10 BUY 4,060 FXI1222R33.5 FXI Jun12 33.50 put (exp 06/22/2012) 0.18 6/22
9:58
0.95 Extreme $301,056
6/19/12 10:07 BUY 280 FAS1222F85 FAS Jun12 85 call (exp 06/22/2012) 2.84 6/20
9:56
3.30 Normal $12,208
6/18/12 10:00 BUY 280 FAZ1222F25 FAZ Jun12 25 call (exp 06/22/2012) 0.88 6/19
9:59
0.31 Extreme ($16,352)

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Statistics

Analytics  
All Statistics Based on Hypothetical Results
Trades385
# Profitable177 (46.0%)
# months tracked23
Profitable months5 (21.7%)
Avg trade duration1.2 days
Annual return (compounded)0.0%
Average win$13,744
Average loss$27,577
Profit factor0.4:1
Max peak-to-valley drawdown (historical)100%
drawdown periodJune 20, 2012 to June 10, 2013
Correlation w/ S&P0.033
Sharpe ratio-0.863
Keep after worst-case slippage 100.0%
Probabilities of future account loss  
Chance of 10% account loss12.2%
Chance of 20% account loss0.0%
Chance of 30% account loss0.0%
Chance of 50% account loss0.0%
Chance of 100% account loss0.0%
Average Profit to Drawdown (APD)-0.47
Average P/L per unit traded$0.77


Reviews

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May 3, 2012 from AutoTrader

wow... good thing I bailed early. Just another system that got popular due to early lucky trades followed by the inevitable crash.

Rebuttal, posted on May 4, 2012 by system developer:

Sorry, you feel that way. This month I predict that this system will make over 40% and from now onwards, it should be smooth sailing. It does take time to iron out the kinks in the armour and perfect the system. It is true of any software based system. For ex., Windows operating system has been in development for over 25 years but it is still not perfect. I tried several approaches over the course of several months and found a very simple approach that will be yielding consistent results. The losing months were losing because the system was not general enough to take into account all possible market situations. Now it is as general as it can be, but it does require that I watch the markets all time, night and day, an extremely labour intensive, tedious and time consuming and thankless job. Reviews like the above does not provide any iota of encouragement. Patience please, I promised you the holy grail and I will deliver.
 
Feb 26, 2012 from Subscriber

This is the best system I find so far, the pros are: great trending detection and entry timing; the cons are: waiting for trending reversed can result in reduced profit, and sometime volatility ETFs diverge with market trend, eg. bot TVIX@51.11 on 11/11/2011, sold TVIX@58.96 on 11/22/2011, profit 15%, it went through a complete trend until reversed, TVIX spiked up to 64 on 11/17 and 11/21 two times, the max gain could be 25%. Another trade, bot TVIX@48.10 on 12/8/2011, closed @39.50 on 12/15/2011, loss 18%, in that period, S&P went from 1261 down to 1212. So, how to benefit this system? First, set stop loss order. Second, take profit promptly. Third, be careful with those leverage volatility ETFs such as TVIX, you may consider buying spy calls/puts if you know options.

 
Feb 13, 2012 from AutoTrader

This is a good system the only thing you need to know is in what month he is going to loose 35%, NO MONEY MANAGING, I will call it the "LAS VEGAS HOLY GRAIL"

Rebuttal, posted on Feb 18, 2012 by system developer:

This subscriber will never become rich because what he thinks I am doing is gambling. I am not gambling but follow a proven mechanical system which tells me when to enter/exit and when to move stops. Yes, I do use stops. I stuck to the long-term, reversed (went short based on 30 DMA) and so never lost 35%; he should stick to the long-term. I don't know what he meant by money managing. Reducing your position size is the same as raising your stop loss. Is that not money management? At the time of this writing, Direxion TNA/TZA made 20.7% this week and got into the weekly gainers list on the dashboard page of C2, but it is yet to cross its high water mark. I have 3 funds at YF (out of total 21) that crossed its high water mark today, but not sure how much % gain they made today. For the month though, they all made over 20% and 1 YF made a whopping 48.4%. I recently modified (generalized) the system code to take into account all types of market conditions (both trending and choppy) and so it should work well in both types of market conditions.
 
Dec 22, 2011 from Subscriber

It seemed like a very interesting system, until it stopped working! You should have implemented that equity curve trading you mentioned. Most likely, you would have avoided most of the recent significant drawdown.

Rebuttal, posted on Feb 18, 2012 by system developer:

At the time of writing this, 7 day fund value change 7.77% as the markets are trending again. It seems to be working for me... Trend following systems make money when markets are trending and lose money when they are choppy, which should come as no surprise. A lot of people subscribed at the wrong time in spite of my warning not to trade based on 30 DMA of the equity curve. Whose fault is that? I have obligation only to follow my picks. I have no obligation to stop trading based on my own equity curve.

``On the sentiment about Pal needing to inform people, I get what you are saying if he has agreed to take you on as a client and you are paying him to manage your wealth. However, this system is not set up that way and neither is Collective 2. Most investors choose one of two paths, they either go it alone or they hire out their wealth management. Those who do YF or C2 are going it alone. So we have to do our homework and read the articles that those who are presenting systems are going to. We even should check out their Facebook pages and any other social media that they subscribe to such as Linked in to see what they are researching (which I have done) and with that whole picture in mind you can and will get a nice picture of what their view of the financial world looks like making it much easier to know how to react when a system changes due to market conditions.

Personally I think PAL is doing the right thing in sticking to his system picks. Eventually the market is going to stabilize and triple digit gains will happen again. The beauty of this system is that moving in either direction is a gainer if you are paying attention and those gains come with a single click of a check box in your "edit holdings" section. - Posted by:Benjamin De Mers
When:12/27/11 (21:22) at youtualfunds.com thread Pal is King.

I recently modified (generalized) the system code to take into account all types of market conditions (both trending and choppy) and so it should work well in both types of market conditions.
 
Dec 16, 2011 from AutoTrader

Everything started going wrong since you increase the subscription, too fast, too greedy. What about all those system you have close in red? http://preview.collective2.com/cgi-perl/system/sysreports.mpl?report_type=byvendor&system_id=25286922

Rebuttal, posted on Feb 18, 2012 by system developer:

Too fast, too greedy? Greed is good. It is what makes the world go around. There were several subscribers/followers who thanked me for making them money, so it was logical for me to partake a portion of their profits in the form of subscription price increase. They never objected. Only those who subscribed at the wrong time like this reviewer objects. But the main reason I increased subscription fee is to keep it in sync with my other newly offered system at the time of subscription increase: Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ Both these systems are highly correlated (by subscribing to one, you can follow the other). As such it makes no sense to have different subscription prices for these systems. Though the markets are different (TNA/TZA is more aggressive but TQQQ/SQQQ is the stronger market), the strategy is basically the same.
Regarding systems in red, that is my proof: you cant get a holy grail for nothing. Thanks to C2 and YF. All those systems in red are counter-trend systems which forces one to martingale trade (average down) to reduce the average cost of entering a trade, not trend-following. In the long-run all successful systems are trend following (anti-martingale). I recently modified (generalized) the system code to take into account all types of market conditions (both trending and choppy) and so it should work well in both types of market conditions.
 
Dec 15, 2011 from AutoTrader

Down down down. Ring of Fire. And where she stops nobody knows. Thank God i pulled the plug before the last Gargantuan loss.

Rebuttal, posted on Feb 18, 2012 by system developer:

See my rebuttal above regarding my warning about when to trade and when not to trade based on 30 DMA of the equity curve... I recently modified (generalized) the system code to take into account all types of market conditions (both trending and choppy) and so it should work well in both types of market conditions.
 
Dec 8, 2011 from AutoTrader

From what I can tell the system was born out of 7-10 YouFunds. Each one is trading different small volume ETFs but makes most of its gains on TVIX. This one was getting the best results and so it was published over to Collective 2. It continued to get good results for about 30 days. Unfortunately I was paper trading at that time. Once I switched over to money trades, I only experienced spectacular losses in balls to the wall strategy with no stops and real money management. I would regularly wake up to 15% (on position) draw downs. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Be very careful subscribing to systems like this.

Rebuttal, posted on Feb 18, 2012 by system developer:

See my rebuttal above regarding my warning about when to trade and when not to trade based on 30 DMA of the equity curve and in what kind of market the system made money...I have 21 Youtual funds, all of them successful. I recently modified (generalized) the system code to take into account all types of market conditions (both trending and choppy) and so it should work well in both types of market conditions.
 
Dec 6, 2011 from Subscriber

The system had a couple of outstanding months. But, as a friend once said, even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while. This system is gambling not trading. Direxion TNA/TZA hit the lottery several weeks back, now it stands on its own merits. Time is always the great equalizer…given time the flaws of this system are becoming apparent: very large positions, no stops, taking positions against plain indicators or with no indicator at all and (what seems to me) very emotional entries/exits – pride will steal your bankroll every time. I would have discontinued my subscription to Direxion TNA/TZA even if there weren’t ignored emails and a fee increase of over 70%, but in addition to the recent terrible trading that didn’t help. Look elsewhere.

Rebuttal, posted on Feb 18, 2012 by system developer:

This is one subscriber who will never become rich because what he thinks I am doing is gambling...Also this subscriber has the notion that past performance is a guarantee of future results.

The notion that past performance is no gauge of future results is more than a boilerplate warning. With the exception of occasional momentum swings or trends that cross from one month to the next, there is little empirical evidence that results over the last three, five or 10 months will look remotely similar going forward.

That is not a surprise; the market determines returns more than any manager, which is why so many industry watchers prefer indexing over active management; but it makes it hard to judge what just happened in a fund and what to do next." - Chuck Jaffe

Any manager can have a bad month; the talented ones usually come back and that is why you dont base your decision on one month, said Charles Rotblut, vice president of the American Association of Individual Investors and editor of AAII Journal.

Rotblut noted that investors buying a new fund should be prepared to give the manager three to five months. Worse, if you dump the fund, you are likely to go to a manager who just had a good month, and that could have been a fluke.

With that in mind, fund-investing specialists say that managers, unlike football coaches are best judged on something other than win-loss record.

The track record is very noisy and provides virtually no reliable signals, thus we ignore it when evaluating funds, said C. Thomas Howard, director of research at AthenaInvest, a Colorado-based investment research firm. He said that strategy, consistency, conviction are the most important signals for superior performance going forward.Investor expectations are crucial, as is the managers role in the portfolio. Jim Lowell of the Fidelity Investor newsletter noted that his evaluation process starts with whether we need [the managers] skill sets again this year. The first question is an allocation one, the second gets to buying the manager.

David Snowball of MutualFundObserver.com, said a manager who meets expectations matters more than monthly results. In general, he said, if a manager is posting positive absolute returns that are reasonable, I will ignore months of relative underperformance. A good example is T. Rowe Price Spectrum Income RPSIX 0.00% which can be substandard for four or five years in a row like 2001 through 2005 but which is still doing the job I bought it for: mid-single-digit returns with low volatility.

Ultimately, most experts suggested that a bad month should not trigger the urge to purge, but rather alert the investor that a manager is on thin ice.

People with great records are bright and pathologically competitive, said Michael Stolper, a San Diego-based wealth manager. When results flag, they are absolutely driven by the need for redemption.

But investors have trouble waiting for that redemption, Stolper said. They get it in their heads that the manager is out of touch, or the world has changed.

Indeed, barring ethical issues, mass shareholder departures or big fee hikes, investors probably should not be in a rush to fire a manager over a bad month.

It can pay to be patient. Said Stolper: Replace the manager three years after you think it is immediately necessary.

I recently modified (generalized) the system code to take into account all types of market conditions (both trending and choppy) and so it should work well in both types of market conditions.
 
Dec 5, 2011 from AutoTrader

Started out with outstanding results followed by a period of sideways performance and now is facing the test of sustainability..in terms of positive monthly returns. Good news is that the system has protected against the dramatic losses likely with 3x leveraged ETF's..all -in-all a system to watch and tip-toe into.

Rebuttal, posted on Feb 18, 2012 by system developer:

See my rebuttal above regarding my warning about when to trade and when not to trade based on 30 DMA of the equity curve and in what kind of market the system makes money... I recently modified (generalized) the system code to take into account all types of market conditions (both trending and choppy) and so it should work well in both types of market conditions.
 
Dec 2, 2011 from Subscriber

didn't have much luck with this system and fees are increasing 70%. Difficult to manually trade. Cut and paste overview is difficult to understand. Vendor not particularly helpful with questions. It has had a couple of great months though.

Rebuttal, posted on Feb 18, 2012 by system developer:

See my rebuttal above regarding my warning about when to trade and when not to trade based on 30 DMA of the equity curve, about reasons for fee increase and in what kind of market the system makes money.. I recently modified (generalized) the system code to take into account all types of market conditions (both trending and choppy) and so it should work well in both types of market conditions.

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Model Account Status

Started$100,000
Buy Power($3,203,310)
Cash$1
Equity$1
Cumulative $($3,303,310)
Total System Equity($3,203,310)
Margined$1
Open P/L$0
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