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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
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| When: | 2/14/07 (3:41) | |
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| | I know it is probably not the right forum, but Hawk-fx does not have a forum. I am wondering if the Hawk-fx system is still around and supported and same for his managed account? I have send PM and several emails to him, but no response.
Anyone out there have contact with the trader? The lack of response to inqueries really makes me wonder if it is time to drop it and the open DD trades he has or to hold out and hope he will recover from the losses made in Nov - early Jan. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Index ( C2 Score: 975 ) |
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| When: | 2/14/07 (4:45) | |
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| | In response to post by K J of 2/14/07 (3:41) I know it is probably not the right forum, but Hawk-fx does not have a forum. I am wondering if the Hawk-fx system is still around and supported and same for his managed account? I have send PM and several emails to him, but no response....
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interesting choice of words "hold out and hope"
How many signs do you want before realizing that YOU are in charge of your own trading, not the vendor??? And why do you expect sage advice from a forum?
You sound exactly like the 90-95% of leveraged traders who are estimated to lose their bankroll.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Dump it and learn how to trade. It isn't by blindly following a system. Your wondering whether to dump should have been made awhile ago
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Steve Auger ( C2 Score: 978) |
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| When: | 2/14/07 (10:34) | |
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| | In response to post by Index of 2/14/07 (4:45) interesting choice of words "hold out and hope"
How many signs do you want before realizing that YOU are in charge of your own trading, not the vendor??? And why do you expect sage advice from a forum?
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Ross - grow up.
K J - I would suggest that Mark Hodge's career is done. Even if he does learn how to manage money he will never recover his reputation. Best to move on. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Index ( C2 Score: 975) |
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| When: | 2/14/07 (10:47) | |
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| | In response to post by Steve Auger of 2/14/07 (10:34) Ross - grow up.
K J - I would suggest that Mark Hodge's career is done. Even if he does learn how to manage money he will never recover his reputation. Best to move on.
Would you mind pointing out what was incorrect??????
Would you rather have traders lose their bankroll or learn from their practices? The problem is that many newer traders wander around from system to method to indicator, looking for a holy grail, and losing large sums of money to vendors/authors who are either clueless or cheats.
You are not doing any favors by coddling or being nice or reassuring. This system should have been pruned from K J's view long ago, especially with warning signs like "he is not responding." Even with this and the serious drawdown, there is still uncertainty about bailing.
Your response does not help. "Best to move on" ? What makes you think K J won't drop a bundle to the next signal provider or 10 others after that??????? Try educating rather than applying pats on the back. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Science Trader ( C2 Score: 266) |
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| When: | 2/14/07 (11:02) | |
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| | In response to post by K J of 2/14/07 (3:41) I know it is probably not the right forum, but Hawk-fx does not have a forum. I am wondering if the Hawk-fx system is still around and supported and same for his managed account? I have send PM and several emails to him, but no response....
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Actually, there used to be a Hawk-fx forum. Somehow it's not visible anymore, but if you do a search for Hawk-fx, you can still see some of the remnants. It would be great if Matthew can make these posts visible again.
I read through the whole Hawk-fx forum a few months ago (when the recent drawdown started), and it was quite an interesting experience. I remember it was full of accusations of managed accounts blowing up, the vendor not responding because he was skiing with his trading mentor for a week, etc, etc.
I never had problems contacting the vendor by e-mail, which he used to list on his system page. In my case he always responded promptly. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Science Trader ( C2 Score: 266) |
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| When: | 2/14/07 (12:37) | |
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| | In response to post by Steve Auger of 2/14/07 (10:34) Ross - grow up.
K J - I would suggest that Mark Hodge's career is done. Even if he does learn how to manage money he will never recover his reputation. Best to move on.
As strange as it might sound, I think the current drawdown by _itself_ does not justify abandoning the system. Historical drawdowns have been larger (67% as you can see from the system page), so the current drawdown should not be an unexpected event. For most people these drawdowns are way too large, especially if the system is not part of a larger portfolio of systems. In that case the only thing that makes sense is to trade the system with much less leverage than the vendor does. I.e. if you de-leverage 10 times, your max drawdown would have been ~7%, for an average annual profit of ~22%. Not a stellar performance, but not really disastrous either. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Sam Cook ( C2 Score: 276) |
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| When: | 2/14/07 (12:56) | |
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| | In response to post by Science Trader of 2/14/07 (12:37) As strange as it might sound, I think the current drawdown by _itself_ does not justify abandoning the system. Historica...
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>As strange as it might sound, I think the current drawdown by _itself_ does not justify abandoning the system.
Maybe not, but...
> Historical drawdowns have been larger (67% as you can see from the system page)....
a 67% DD would close down most funds or CTA's to begin with.
Moreover, look at this trade:
23546608 STO 400 BARGBPUSDSPT @ MKT DAY 11/24/06 4:02 11/24/06 4:02 1.9316
24215364 BTC 400 BARGBPUSDSPT @ MKT DAY 1/2/07 11:15 1/2/07 11:15 1.9738
He *sold* a confirmed breakout of a six month congestion! Yikes! The
breakout occurred after short, intermediate, and long term contractions.
Classic Toby Crabel on three time frames. He sold into a momentum acceleration on multiple scales. In EW terms the middle of a third wave. Was he trying to sell the top of the channel? Well the daily channel was near 1.9800. I'd love to hear the vendors reason for selling the GBPUSD on 11-24-06....or for that matter anyone who has any idea why anyone would take this trade. Maybe it was something incredibly stupid like an
over bought stochastic? Wow...how did this guy make money in the
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Index ( C2 Score: 975) |
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| | In response to post by Science Trader of 2/14/07 (12:37) As strange as it might sound, I think the current drawdown by _itself_ does not justify abandoning the system. Historica...
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That would be an interesting psychological experiment. Take some population of traders, and given system with reasonable profitability measures, what percentage drawdown would cause them to abandon it? Of course, testing for what would be considered profitable would also be an interesting experiment.
But I do not know any traders who would stay on after a 67% drawdown... The reality is, you cannot go on past trading activity and say that this is the max. It is also possible any leveraged system could have a several hundred percent drawdown, regardless of past drawdowns. That is called Risk of Ruin, and everything has a certain innate possibility of this. A 67% historical drawdown event would prevent me from ever subscribing.
I am sure there were quite a few leveraged systems that were long on Oct. 19, 1987 when the market took a 20+ % tumble. How would people fare if they were daytrading on $500 margins without stops and stepped out for an hour or two when something hits? And stops are little help when an instrument is locked limit.
The Asian currency crisis a couple years ago saw up to 90% declines in a short time.
There ain't no such animal as relying on historical drawdowns, unless you are playing with fun money. Too many people put their whole wad into something like this, and could be in for a shot at bankruptcy court under the right (wrong) circumstances. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Brad Goldman ( C2 Score: 957) |
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| | In response to post by Science Trader of 2/14/07 (12:37) As strange as it might sound, I think the current drawdown by _itself_ does not justify abandoning the system. Historica...
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I don't think the problem is with the drawdown on his system. The problem is that they are not managing their managed accounts correctly or how they informed users.
For example, I almost subscribed to this system though a managed account, and I asked about the big drawdown, this was a long time ago when they had drawdowns of $ 200,000 which they were able to recover from.
They told me that they hedged risk with I assume another currency, and that the managed accounts were run more conservatively and that one of the large open positions was not even held in a managed account.
I never subscribed because I felt a $ 200,000 drawdown was too high for me. But you then get some reviews when the system went to a over a $ 500,000 drawdown that the managed accounts lost 90% of their value. See this was the real problem. The managed accounts are losing a higher % than the system lost.
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Sam Cook ( C2 Score: 276) |
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> what percentage drawdown would cause them to abandon it?
Somewhat different, but many CTAs, etc., have a 50% or so "failsafe".
They stop trading altogether if they drawdown that much.
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Steve Auger ( C2 Score: 978) |
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| | In response to post by Index of 2/14/07 (10:47) Would you mind pointing out what was incorrect??????
Would you rather have traders lose their bankroll or learn from their practices? The problem is that many newer traders wander around from system to method to indicator, looking for a holy grail, and losing large sums of money to vendors/authors who are either clueless or cheats....
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"And why do you expect sage advice from a forum? You sound exactly like the 90-95% of leveraged traders who are estimated to lose their bankroll. Wake up and smell the coffee. Dump it and learn how to trade. It isn't by blindly following a system. Your wondering whether to dump should have been made awhile ago"
Ross - You post like you are right and the rest of the world is wrong. You are telling poor K J to learn how to trade when you haven't demonstrated that ability yourself.
I'm absolutely certain that K J will learn from his mistakes and will be a better person for it. And I hate to say it but not all systems and providers here are scams. With a lot of effort and due diligence K J will find one or more systems worth trading.
For the record if you go to the Hawk-FX page I think you will find out that he still logs in once in a while. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Index ( C2 Score: 975) |
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| | In response to post by Sam Cook of 2/14/07 (13:28) > what percentage drawdown would cause them to abandon it?
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it would be wise. But a 67% historical drawdown wuold prevent me from ever joining in the first place. Too many systems slowly build equity, and then trash it in several weeks (partly due to a lack of discipline) or following their own documented principles
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Steve Auger ( C2 Score: 978) |
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| | In response to post by Steve Auger of 2/14/07 (13:36) "And why do you expect sage advice from a forum? You sound exactly like the 90-95% of leveraged traders who are estimated to lose their bankroll. Wake up and smell the coffee. Dump it and learn how to trade. It isn't by blindly following a system. Your wondering whether to dump should have been made awhile ago"
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And for the record, I hope that Hawk-FX stays active. Reading the reviews is more entertaining than watching afternoon soaps. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Index ( C2 Score: 975) |
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| | In response to post by Steve Auger of 2/14/07 (13:36) "And why do you expect sage advice from a forum? You sound exactly like the 90-95% of leveraged traders who are estimated to lose their bankroll. Wake up and smell the coffee. Dump it and learn how to trade. It isn't by blindly following a system. Your wondering whether to dump should have been made awhile ago"
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"I'm absolutely certain that K J will learn from his mistakes and will be a better person for it. And I hate to say it but not all systems and providers here are scams. With a lot of effort and due diligence K J will find one or more systems worth trading. "
This statement from you displays a remarkable lack of understanding what really happens to newer subscribers/traders. The reality is, that since few systems reliably work, K J is more likely to blow out his/her bankroll (several times) before finding success. And success will probably be unlikely. Try asking a few brokers what percent of their new accounts wind up successful vs. those that wind up empty.
Your certainty is based on nothing, and does not compare well to the fact that few newer traders ever find success.
"not all systems and providers here are scams."
It isn't just the scams. It is mostly the people who optimize and generate many alternate backtests, convince themselves they found the holy grail and start trying to sell their (likely worthless) signals. Don't you follow the systems here??? Don't you read the posts from the countless new vendors like Mr. "2 ES points a day?" who actually wind up disappearing into the Tar pits?
You sound like someone with little understanding of the pain and agony inflicted on thousands of newer traders in an attempt to find a little happiness. Your facts do not at all square with the realities of the industry. Try spending a few months with Ken Roberts and his glossy 1-2-3 tops or similar garbage. Don't prop up K J & other folks with pep talks and a positive attitude.
Try educating and giving them a reality check, and maybe try to give them some useful pointers, not "keep trying, you'll get there!!!" Few of them ever do for very long. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Sam Cook ( C2 Score: 276) |
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| | In response to post by Index of 2/14/07 (13:37) it would be wise. But a 67% historical drawdown wuold prevent me from ever joining in the first place. Too many systems slowly build equity, and then trash it in several weeks (partly due to a lack of discipline) or following their own documented principles
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> But a 67% historical drawdown wuold prevent me from ever joining in the first place.
Captain Kirk, that is illogical. If there was a 50% shutdown the 67%
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Index ( C2 Score: 975) |
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| | In response to post by Sam Cook of 2/14/07 (14:12) > But a 67% historical drawdown wuold prevent me from ever joining in the first place.
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hmm, Mr. Spock. I was not relating the Hawk 67% drawdown to the 50% shutdown. I wouldn't let others (CTAs, etc.) manage/trade my money anyway.
Nothing sends me away faster than "Only available as managed fund..."
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Steve Auger ( C2 Score: 978) |
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| | In response to post by Index of 2/14/07 (13:50) "I'm absolutely certain that K J will learn from his mistakes and will be a better person for it. And I hate to say it but not all systems and providers here are scams. With a lot of effort and due diligence K J will find one or more systems worth trading. "
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Ross - I hope you continue posting at C2 for a long time. The entertainment value is wonderful, even better than reading through all the human sufferage of former Hawk-FX subscribers.
As for K J, did he tell you he was a novice and did he ask for your self-righteous advice? He simply asked if Mark Hodges was still here.
I am wondering what you are actually doing here at C2 Ross. Do you subscribe to some systems? Are you a system developer? I'm sure you know the old saying: "either Sh..t or get off the pot". If you are lonely then maybe you could try an escort service. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Index ( C2 Score: 975) |
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| | In response to post by Steve Auger of 2/14/07 (14:33) Ross - I hope you continue posting at C2 for a long time. The entertainment value is wonderful, even better than reading through all the human sufferage of former Hawk-FX subscribers....
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I am sure it is entertaining to you; I am still waiting for you to say something that actually has any real-world merit. First, you offer K J baseless advice, now you offer a string of esoteric questions and mindless chuckles.
How about we put your advice and mine in front of a few industry veterans, and see whose is closer to the real world experience of newer traders?? How can you be so clueless as to read K J's original post and not extrapolate K J's approximate place along the path to trading success/maturity?
Self-righteous advice? Do you think I post because of boredom? I post to try and push some to achieve and avoid going through years of costly pain. There is no value in posting for self-gratification. Personally, I give no concern to your musings.
I have no idea what you are doing here and the more I read, the less I see. Maybe an escort service would do you good.
And since you like to quote, you remind of the saying that "some come to the fount of knowledge to drink, and others come to gargle." Either way, you may have the rest of this thread to yourself. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Steve Auger ( C2 Score: 978) |
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| | In response to post by Index of 2/14/07 (14:50) I am sure it is entertaining to you; I am still waiting for you to say something that actually has any real-world merit. First, you offer K J baseless advice, now you offer a string of esoteric questions and mindless chuckles....
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Ross - if you are the fountain of knowledge then I will gladly come to gargle!
I only sign in to C2 occasionally and every time I see your same rantings and ravings. Protecting innocent investors from scam artists. Providing advice to the unwary and less experienced. Do-gooder extra-ordinaire.
By the way I am an industry veteran. I know what I am doing here. I am providing a system. My question isn't esoteric. My question is:
WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE ROSS? |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Index ( C2 Score: 975) |
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| | In response to post by Steve Auger of 2/14/07 (15:15) Ross - if you are the fountain of knowledge then I will gladly come to gargle!
I only sign in to C2 occasionally and every time I see your same rantings and ravings. Protecting innocent investors from scam artists. Providing advice to the unwary and less experienced. Do-gooder extra-ordinaire....
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Steve Auger ( C2 Score: 978) |
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| | In response to post by Index of 2/14/07 (15:16) TALKING TO AN IDIOT
Then stop talking to yourself |
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| Posted by: | Index ( C2 Score: 975) |
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| | In response to post by Steve Auger of 2/14/07 (15:18) Then stop talking to yourself
Yes, that was a good one. No one can deny your deep wit from this response. Lets see you demonstrate your K-6 diploma with your next one, Jethro |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Steve Auger ( C2 Score: 978) |
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| | In response to post by Index of 2/14/07 (15:24) Yes, that was a good one. No one can deny your deep wit from this response. Lets see you demonstrate your K-6 diploma with your next one, Jethro
You haven't answered my question. |
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| Posted by: | Index ( C2 Score: 975) |
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| | In response to post by Steve Auger of 2/14/07 (15:26) You haven't answered my question.
Then back up several posts and start reading. Stop thinking of clever responses and start listening. It is all there. |
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| Posted by: | Steve Auger ( C2 Score: 978) |
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| | In response to post by Index of 2/14/07 (15:29) Then back up several posts and start reading. Stop thinking of clever responses and start listening. It is all there.
Do you subscribe to a system? Or are you even thinking of subscribing to a system? |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Steve Auger ( C2 Score: 978) |
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| | In response to post by Steve Auger of 2/14/07 (15:31) Do you subscribe to a system? Or are you even thinking of subscribing to a system?
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| Posted by: | Steve Auger ( C2 Score: 978) |
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| | In response to post by Steve Auger of 2/14/07 (15:38) Anser my question Ross
Ross -
If you aren't currently subscribed to a system then can you tell me your previous experience with subscribing to a system? One that you paid to subscribe to. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Index ( C2 Score: 975) |
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| | In response to post by Steve Auger of 2/14/07 (15:31) Do you subscribe to a system? Or are you even thinking of subscribing to a system?
Yes I have subscribed and currently subscribe. Which and what I do with them is not going to be shared with others. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
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@Science Trader: It does not sound strange to me; I was thinking along the same line. The drawdown alone would not necessarily prevent me from subscribing. An essential condition would be to put only a small fraction of the available capital on it, and make it part of a larger portfolio of systems, like you suggest. Otherwise the nasty effects of compounding will be too important for my taste.
There are other reasons why I would not subscribe to this system. Like Brad says, it seems that the vendor doesn't keep his promisses in the managed accounts and trades them at too high leverage untill ruin. There was a discussion about that a year ago, and I've heard that he is still doing it. This might be less a problem for a subscriber who regulates his own leverage, but I wouldn't feel comfortable with a vendor doing this.
Another problem is the duration of the drawdown. It's just not fun to trade a system that keeps adding losses for months and months.
What Sam says (that the vendor is doing stupid trades) can be important too, but I cannot judge the validity of his judgement.
@Ross: Experiments with risk have been done by mathematical psychologists since the 60's, and find it really interesting if you take the time to work through the math. Suppose I give you the opportunity to play this bet:
- the probability that you loose is 1 in 100,000.
- if you win, you will get $10.
- if you loose, you will be shot at dawn.
Would you take the bet?
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Lew Payne ( C2 Score: 911) |
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| When: | 2/14/07 (19:17) | |
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| | In response to post by K J of 2/14/07 (3:41) I know it is probably not the right forum, but Hawk-fx does not have a forum. I am wondering if the Hawk-fx system is still around and supported and same for his managed account? I have send PM and several emails to him, but no response....
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Mark Burdge is currently being taught responsibility by the legal system. It will likely be an expensive lesson. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Index ( C2 Score: 975) |
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| When: | 2/14/07 (19:49) | |
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| | In response to post by Jules Ellis of 2/14/07 (19:13) @Science Trader: It does not sound strange to me; I was thinking along the same line. The drawdown alone would not necessarily prevent me from subscribing. An essential condition would be to put only a small fraction of the available capital on it, and make it part of a larger portfolio of systems, like you suggest. Otherwise the nasty effects of compounding will be too important for my taste....
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"@Ross: Experiments with risk have been done by mathematical psychologists since the 60's, and find it really interesting if you take the time to work through the math. Suppose I give you the opportunity to play this bet:
- the probability that you loose is 1 in 100,000.
- if you win, you will get $10.
- if you loose, you will be shot at dawn. "
Maybe if the win was $100,000. I spend considerably more than $10 going after health problems that may only have 1 in 100,000 chances of death (colon cancer, car safety features, etc.). So I doubt the $10 would be very interesting... |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Sam Cook ( C2 Score: 276) |
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| When: | 2/14/07 (20:02) | |
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| | In response to post by Jules Ellis of 2/14/07 (19:13) @Science Trader: It does not sound strange to me; I was thinking along the same line. The drawdown alone would not necessarily prevent me from subscribing. An essential condition would be to put only a small fraction of the available capital on it, and make it part of a larger portfolio of systems, like you suggest. Otherwise the nasty effects of compounding will be too important for my taste....
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> What Sam says (that the vendor is doing stupid trades) can be important too, but I cannot judge the validity of his judgement.
I don't see why he took the trade I mentioned. Maybe someone can show me a "smart" reason, but I couldn't find one on my own. I'm seriously curious if anyone understood his logic. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Jules Ellis |
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| When: | 2/14/07 (20:23) | |
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| | In response to post by Index of 2/14/07 (19:49) "@Ross: Experiments with risk have been done by mathematical psychologists since the 60's, and find it really interesting if you take the time to work through the math. Suppose I give you the opportunity to play this bet:
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Right. Most people don't want to take this bet. Nevertheless, they will cross the street to pick up a $10 billet or to get a $10 discount. But then they take a similar risk.
This just one simple example of how irrational many choices are when it comes to risk. More fundamental phenomena exist. For example, Amos Tversky showed in some classical experiments that people can systematically choose intransitively. That is, if you offer them the alternatives A and B then they prefer A; if you offer B and C then they prefer B; but you offer A and C then they prefer C. In a sense they walk in circles, because no alternative is prefered above both others at the same time.
It can also happen that more than 70% of the people prefer A when you offer them the choice between A and B, whereas more than 50% of the people prefer B when you offer them the choice between A, B and "don't know"... This can only happen because some people change their preference from A to B because you added the alternative "don't know"... |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Steve Auger ( C2 Score: 978) |
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| When: | 2/14/07 (20:43) | |
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| | In response to post by Index of 2/14/07 (17:08) Yes I have subscribed and currently subscribe. Which and what I do with them is not going to be shared with others.
Ross - this is very uncharacteristic of you. I thought you wanted to share anything and everything. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Pal Anand ( C2 Score: 988) |
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| When: | 2/15/07 (19:16) | |
| Systems: | Direxion (FAS/FAZ), Direxion BGU/BGZ, Direxion DRN/DRV, Direxion DZK/DPK, Direxion EDC/EDZ, Direxion ERX/ERY, Direxion LBJ/LHB, Direxion MWJ/MWN, Direxion NUGT/DUST, Direxion SOXL/SOXS, Direxion TMF/TMV, Direxion TNA/TZA, Extreme Stocks, ProShares AGQ/ZSL, Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ, ProShares UCO/SCO, ProShares UGL/GLL, Proshares UPRO/SPXU, ProShares UUP/UDN, ProShares UVXY, ProShares UYM/SMN, ProShares XPP/FXP, System 78433109, System 1200737, System 13513226, System 14747274, System 14900604, System 17333270, System 18570303, System 21001636, System 22811602, System 25126348, System 25286922, System 25480083, System 26583686, System 26874100, System 28959109, System 30070387, System 30091398, System 30092309, System 32171590, System 33686814, System 36312421, System 39940733, System 49372097, System 51623361, System 56204818, System 59614452, System 62659351, System 63709256, System 64327252, System 64862505, System 65149161, System 65149202, System 66082786, System 69788609, System 69789319, System 74827691, System 76000954, System 76001024, System18339738 |
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| | In response to post by K J of 2/14/07 (3:41) I know it is probably not the right forum, but Hawk-fx does not have a forum. I am wondering if the Hawk-fx system is still around and supported and same for his managed account? I have send PM and several emails to him, but no response....
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The way I see it, Hawk-fx seems to be just another scalping machine. I wouldn't trade such systems in the first place... |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | james ballord ( C2 Score: 959) |
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| When: | 2/15/07 (19:39) | |
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| | In response to post by Pal Anand of 2/15/07 (19:16) The way I see it, Hawk-fx seems to be just another scalping machine. I wouldn't trade such systems in the first place...
Yes, Hawk Fx seems high risk at this leverage.. If you traded it at a reduced leverage of a factor of 10 it's a very respectable system. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Sam Cook ( C2 Score: 276) |
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| When: | 2/15/07 (19:39) | |
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| | In response to post by Pal Anand of 2/15/07 (19:16) The way I see it, Hawk-fx seems to be just another scalping machine. I wouldn't trade such systems in the first place...
> The way I see it, Hawk-fx seems to be just another scalping machine. I wouldn't trade such systems in the first place...
Average trade length is over a week....similar to some of your "test" systems.
Maybe you should share your newfound stop-loss / cut your losses epiphanies with him. Looks to me like he needs to get that religion. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Pal Anand ( C2 Score: 988) |
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| When: | 2/15/07 (19:45) | |
| Systems: | Direxion (FAS/FAZ), Direxion BGU/BGZ, Direxion DRN/DRV, Direxion DZK/DPK, Direxion EDC/EDZ, Direxion ERX/ERY, Direxion LBJ/LHB, Direxion MWJ/MWN, Direxion NUGT/DUST, Direxion SOXL/SOXS, Direxion TMF/TMV, Direxion TNA/TZA, Extreme Stocks, ProShares AGQ/ZSL, Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ, ProShares UCO/SCO, ProShares UGL/GLL, Proshares UPRO/SPXU, ProShares UUP/UDN, ProShares UVXY, ProShares UYM/SMN, ProShares XPP/FXP, System 78433109, System 1200737, System 13513226, System 14747274, System 14900604, System 17333270, System 18570303, System 21001636, System 22811602, System 25126348, System 25286922, System 25480083, System 26583686, System 26874100, System 28959109, System 30070387, System 30091398, System 30092309, System 32171590, System 33686814, System 36312421, System 39940733, System 49372097, System 51623361, System 56204818, System 59614452, System 62659351, System 63709256, System 64327252, System 64862505, System 65149161, System 65149202, System 66082786, System 69788609, System 69789319, System 74827691, System 76000954, System 76001024, System18339738 |
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| | In response to post by james ballord of 2/15/07 (19:39) Yes, Hawk Fx seems high risk at this leverage.. If you traded it at a reduced leverage of a factor of 10 it's a very respectable system.
Average trading length has nothing to do with classifying a system as scalping or not. It is what profit you keep that counts. Some can't seem to get this concept, probably because they never made profits in their trading endeavor. With reduced leverage, profit also drops proportionately... |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | james ballord ( C2 Score: 959) |
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| When: | 2/15/07 (19:59) | |
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| | In response to post by Pal Anand of 2/15/07 (19:45) Average trading length has nothing to do with classifying a system as scalping or not. It is what profit you keep that ...
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My, apologies. I thought the system was in profit.
With leverage scaled down by a factor of 10 the system would be up 80% with a max drawdown of 6.7%.
As far as a City fund is concerned that is a very respectable system.
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I'm only intereseted in civilised conversation / exchanges
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Pal Anand ( C2 Score: 988) |
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| When: | 2/15/07 (20:08) | |
| Systems: | Direxion (FAS/FAZ), Direxion BGU/BGZ, Direxion DRN/DRV, Direxion DZK/DPK, Direxion EDC/EDZ, Direxion ERX/ERY, Direxion LBJ/LHB, Direxion MWJ/MWN, Direxion NUGT/DUST, Direxion SOXL/SOXS, Direxion TMF/TMV, Direxion TNA/TZA, Extreme Stocks, ProShares AGQ/ZSL, Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ, ProShares UCO/SCO, ProShares UGL/GLL, Proshares UPRO/SPXU, ProShares UUP/UDN, ProShares UVXY, ProShares UYM/SMN, ProShares XPP/FXP, System 78433109, System 1200737, System 13513226, System 14747274, System 14900604, System 17333270, System 18570303, System 21001636, System 22811602, System 25126348, System 25286922, System 25480083, System 26583686, System 26874100, System 28959109, System 30070387, System 30091398, System 30092309, System 32171590, System 33686814, System 36312421, System 39940733, System 49372097, System 51623361, System 56204818, System 59614452, System 62659351, System 63709256, System 64327252, System 64862505, System 65149161, System 65149202, System 66082786, System 69788609, System 69789319, System 74827691, System 76000954, System 76001024, System18339738 |
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| | In response to post by james ballord of 2/15/07 (19:59) My, apologies. I thought the system was in profit.
With leverage scaled down by a factor of 10 the system would be up 80% with a max drawdown of 6.7%....
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You don't seem to understand. The system makes 19.8 Average pips per forex trade which would defintely make it a scalping machine compared to other systems. It is not a very reliable system when it comes to making profits... |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | james ballord ( C2 Score: 959) |
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| | In response to post by Pal Anand of 2/15/07 (20:08) You don't seem to understand. The system makes 19.8 Average pips per forex trade which would defintely make it a scalpi...
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Sure, as far as I can see it's made a lot of profit. Up 80% in 2 years with a max drawdown of 6.7% if leverage is scaled down by a factor of 10.
That's a fact.
I agree with you however . It's not my trading style either. There also seem to be a lot of issues from subscribers and people with managed accounts.
That's not for me to comment on though.
Good luck with everything.
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Pal Anand ( C2 Score: 988) |
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| When: | 2/15/07 (20:15) | |
| Systems: | Direxion (FAS/FAZ), Direxion BGU/BGZ, Direxion DRN/DRV, Direxion DZK/DPK, Direxion EDC/EDZ, Direxion ERX/ERY, Direxion LBJ/LHB, Direxion MWJ/MWN, Direxion NUGT/DUST, Direxion SOXL/SOXS, Direxion TMF/TMV, Direxion TNA/TZA, Extreme Stocks, ProShares AGQ/ZSL, Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ, ProShares UCO/SCO, ProShares UGL/GLL, Proshares UPRO/SPXU, ProShares UUP/UDN, ProShares UVXY, ProShares UYM/SMN, ProShares XPP/FXP, System 78433109, System 1200737, System 13513226, System 14747274, System 14900604, System 17333270, System 18570303, System 21001636, System 22811602, System 25126348, System 25286922, System 25480083, System 26583686, System 26874100, System 28959109, System 30070387, System 30091398, System 30092309, System 32171590, System 33686814, System 36312421, System 39940733, System 49372097, System 51623361, System 56204818, System 59614452, System 62659351, System 63709256, System 64327252, System 64862505, System 65149161, System 65149202, System 66082786, System 69788609, System 69789319, System 74827691, System 76000954, System 76001024, System18339738 |
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| | In response to post by james ballord of 2/15/07 (19:59) My, apologies. I thought the system was in profit.
With leverage scaled down by a factor of 10 the system would be up 80% with a max drawdown of 6.7%....
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ps: Just because a system makes profit doesn't make it a reliable system in making profits... Beware, it could be a scalping machine...
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | james ballord ( C2 Score: 959) |
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| When: | 2/15/07 (20:19) | |
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| | In response to post by Pal Anand of 2/15/07 (20:15) ps: Just because a system makes profit doesn't make it a reliable system in making profits... Beware, it could be a scalping machine...
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Pal Anand ( C2 Score: 988) |
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| When: | 2/15/07 (20:20) | |
| Systems: | Direxion (FAS/FAZ), Direxion BGU/BGZ, Direxion DRN/DRV, Direxion DZK/DPK, Direxion EDC/EDZ, Direxion ERX/ERY, Direxion LBJ/LHB, Direxion MWJ/MWN, Direxion NUGT/DUST, Direxion SOXL/SOXS, Direxion TMF/TMV, Direxion TNA/TZA, Extreme Stocks, ProShares AGQ/ZSL, Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ, ProShares UCO/SCO, ProShares UGL/GLL, Proshares UPRO/SPXU, ProShares UUP/UDN, ProShares UVXY, ProShares UYM/SMN, ProShares XPP/FXP, System 78433109, System 1200737, System 13513226, System 14747274, System 14900604, System 17333270, System 18570303, System 21001636, System 22811602, System 25126348, System 25286922, System 25480083, System 26583686, System 26874100, System 28959109, System 30070387, System 30091398, System 30092309, System 32171590, System 33686814, System 36312421, System 39940733, System 49372097, System 51623361, System 56204818, System 59614452, System 62659351, System 63709256, System 64327252, System 64862505, System 65149161, System 65149202, System 66082786, System 69788609, System 69789319, System 74827691, System 76000954, System 76001024, System18339738 |
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| | In response to post by james ballord of 2/15/07 (20:15) Sure, as far as I can see it's made a lot of profit. Up 80% in 2 years with a max drawdown of 6.7% if leverage is scaled down by a factor of 10....
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>Sure, as far as I can see it's made a lot of profit. Up 80% in 2 years with a max drawdown of 6.7% if leverage is scaled down by a factor of 10.
Just because a system makes profit doesn't make it a reliable system in making profits... Beware, it could be a scalping machine...Also a fact...
>I agree with you however . It's not my trading style either. There also seem to be a lot of issues from subscribers and people with managed accounts.
The truth is Hawk-fx has serious defeciencies in money-management. He managed to produce a profit becuase of holding losing trades long enough in the hope it would recoup its losses, and got luckyso far, unlike a lot of subscribers and people in managed accounts... |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Pal Anand ( C2 Score: 988) |
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| When: | 2/15/07 (20:21) | |
| Systems: | Direxion (FAS/FAZ), Direxion BGU/BGZ, Direxion DRN/DRV, Direxion DZK/DPK, Direxion EDC/EDZ, Direxion ERX/ERY, Direxion LBJ/LHB, Direxion MWJ/MWN, Direxion NUGT/DUST, Direxion SOXL/SOXS, Direxion TMF/TMV, Direxion TNA/TZA, Extreme Stocks, ProShares AGQ/ZSL, Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ, ProShares UCO/SCO, ProShares UGL/GLL, Proshares UPRO/SPXU, ProShares UUP/UDN, ProShares UVXY, ProShares UYM/SMN, ProShares XPP/FXP, System 78433109, System 1200737, System 13513226, System 14747274, System 14900604, System 17333270, System 18570303, System 21001636, System 22811602, System 25126348, System 25286922, System 25480083, System 26583686, System 26874100, System 28959109, System 30070387, System 30091398, System 30092309, System 32171590, System 33686814, System 36312421, System 39940733, System 49372097, System 51623361, System 56204818, System 59614452, System 62659351, System 63709256, System 64327252, System 64862505, System 65149161, System 65149202, System 66082786, System 69788609, System 69789319, System 74827691, System 76000954, System 76001024, System18339738 |
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| | In response to post by james ballord of 2/15/07 (20:19) Agreed. The only systems I would ever (and have ever traded) are my own.
I'm definitely in your camp... |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | james ballord ( C2 Score: 959) |
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| | In response to post by Pal Anand of 2/15/07 (20:20) >Sure, as far as I can see it's made a lot of profit. Up 80% in 2 years with a max drawdown of 6.7% if leverage is scaled down by a factor of 10....
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Yes, there's definitly been some issues with this one. Hawk FX is the most controversial system on C2, that's for sure! |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Pal Anand ( C2 Score: 988) |
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| Systems: | Direxion (FAS/FAZ), Direxion BGU/BGZ, Direxion DRN/DRV, Direxion DZK/DPK, Direxion EDC/EDZ, Direxion ERX/ERY, Direxion LBJ/LHB, Direxion MWJ/MWN, Direxion NUGT/DUST, Direxion SOXL/SOXS, Direxion TMF/TMV, Direxion TNA/TZA, Extreme Stocks, ProShares AGQ/ZSL, Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ, ProShares UCO/SCO, ProShares UGL/GLL, Proshares UPRO/SPXU, ProShares UUP/UDN, ProShares UVXY, ProShares UYM/SMN, ProShares XPP/FXP, System 78433109, System 1200737, System 13513226, System 14747274, System 14900604, System 17333270, System 18570303, System 21001636, System 22811602, System 25126348, System 25286922, System 25480083, System 26583686, System 26874100, System 28959109, System 30070387, System 30091398, System 30092309, System 32171590, System 33686814, System 36312421, System 39940733, System 49372097, System 51623361, System 56204818, System 59614452, System 62659351, System 63709256, System 64327252, System 64862505, System 65149161, System 65149202, System 66082786, System 69788609, System 69789319, System 74827691, System 76000954, System 76001024, System18339738 |
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| | In response to post by james ballord of 2/15/07 (20:23) Yes, there's definitly been some issues with this one. Hawk FX is the most controversial system on C2, that's for sure!
Hopefully, the controversy would be put to rest now. Contradictions cannot exist in reality. A is A. Facts are what they are regardless of anyone's wishes or desires... |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | james ballord ( C2 Score: 959) |
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| | In response to post by Pal Anand of 2/15/07 (20:27) Hopefully, the controversy would be put to rest now. Contradictions cannot exist in reality. A is A. Facts are what they are regardless of anyone's wishes or desires...
Yes, I agree. That's the most important lesson in trading. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Sam Cook ( C2 Score: 276) |
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| | In response to post by Pal Anand of 2/15/07 (19:45) Average trading length has nothing to do with classifying a system as scalping or not. It is what profit you keep that ...
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> Average trading length has nothing to do with classifying a system as scalping or not. It is what profit you keep that counts.
He's kept more profit than all your systems combined....so why
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Pal Anand ( C2 Score: 988) |
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| Systems: | Direxion (FAS/FAZ), Direxion BGU/BGZ, Direxion DRN/DRV, Direxion DZK/DPK, Direxion EDC/EDZ, Direxion ERX/ERY, Direxion LBJ/LHB, Direxion MWJ/MWN, Direxion NUGT/DUST, Direxion SOXL/SOXS, Direxion TMF/TMV, Direxion TNA/TZA, Extreme Stocks, ProShares AGQ/ZSL, Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ, ProShares UCO/SCO, ProShares UGL/GLL, Proshares UPRO/SPXU, ProShares UUP/UDN, ProShares UVXY, ProShares UYM/SMN, ProShares XPP/FXP, System 78433109, System 1200737, System 13513226, System 14747274, System 14900604, System 17333270, System 18570303, System 21001636, System 22811602, System 25126348, System 25286922, System 25480083, System 26583686, System 26874100, System 28959109, System 30070387, System 30091398, System 30092309, System 32171590, System 33686814, System 36312421, System 39940733, System 49372097, System 51623361, System 56204818, System 59614452, System 62659351, System 63709256, System 64327252, System 64862505, System 65149161, System 65149202, System 66082786, System 69788609, System 69789319, System 74827691, System 76000954, System 76001024, System18339738 |
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>He's kept more profit than all your systems combined....so why
is he a scalper compared to you?
Are you sure? You are looking at my systems which are in test mode (during which time I paper trade) one time or another...Look at his managed accounts. You have no idea what my real accounts look like. Like I said, contradictions do not exist in reality...
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Sam Cook ( C2 Score: 276) |
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| | In response to post by Pal Anand of 2/15/07 (20:21) I'm definitely in your camp...
>>Agreed. The only systems I would ever (and have ever traded) are my own.
> I'm definitely in your camp...
OK, know we how you live, but how do you afford to eat Pal? |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Pal Anand ( C2 Score: 988) |
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| When: | 2/15/07 (20:42) | |
| Systems: | Direxion (FAS/FAZ), Direxion BGU/BGZ, Direxion DRN/DRV, Direxion DZK/DPK, Direxion EDC/EDZ, Direxion ERX/ERY, Direxion LBJ/LHB, Direxion MWJ/MWN, Direxion NUGT/DUST, Direxion SOXL/SOXS, Direxion TMF/TMV, Direxion TNA/TZA, Extreme Stocks, ProShares AGQ/ZSL, Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ, ProShares UCO/SCO, ProShares UGL/GLL, Proshares UPRO/SPXU, ProShares UUP/UDN, ProShares UVXY, ProShares UYM/SMN, ProShares XPP/FXP, System 78433109, System 1200737, System 13513226, System 14747274, System 14900604, System 17333270, System 18570303, System 21001636, System 22811602, System 25126348, System 25286922, System 25480083, System 26583686, System 26874100, System 28959109, System 30070387, System 30091398, System 30092309, System 32171590, System 33686814, System 36312421, System 39940733, System 49372097, System 51623361, System 56204818, System 59614452, System 62659351, System 63709256, System 64327252, System 64862505, System 65149161, System 65149202, System 66082786, System 69788609, System 69789319, System 74827691, System 76000954, System 76001024, System18339738 |
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| | In response to post by Sam Cook of 2/15/07 (20:40) >>Agreed. The only systems I would ever (and have ever traded) are my own.
> I'm definitely in your camp...
OK, know we how you live, but how do you afford to eat Pal?
You are so old and still poor. You do not understand the difference between real accounts and paper-trading accounts... |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Sam Cook ( C2 Score: 276) |
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| When: | 2/16/07 (9:28) | |
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| | In response to post by Pal Anand of 2/15/07 (20:42) You are so old and still poor. You do not understand the difference between real accounts and paper-trading accounts...
> You do not understand the difference between real accounts and paper-trading accounts...
But I do! This has been my point all along: your accounts are
paper trading accounts.
It doesn't matter if you have a trust fund or not; anyone that
followed your C2 accounts would be very poor by now. This is
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Pal Anand ( C2 Score: 988) |
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| When: | 2/16/07 (9:33) | |
| Systems: | Direxion (FAS/FAZ), Direxion BGU/BGZ, Direxion DRN/DRV, Direxion DZK/DPK, Direxion EDC/EDZ, Direxion ERX/ERY, Direxion LBJ/LHB, Direxion MWJ/MWN, Direxion NUGT/DUST, Direxion SOXL/SOXS, Direxion TMF/TMV, Direxion TNA/TZA, Extreme Stocks, ProShares AGQ/ZSL, Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ, ProShares UCO/SCO, ProShares UGL/GLL, Proshares UPRO/SPXU, ProShares UUP/UDN, ProShares UVXY, ProShares UYM/SMN, ProShares XPP/FXP, System 78433109, System 1200737, System 13513226, System 14747274, System 14900604, System 17333270, System 18570303, System 21001636, System 22811602, System 25126348, System 25286922, System 25480083, System 26583686, System 26874100, System 28959109, System 30070387, System 30091398, System 30092309, System 32171590, System 33686814, System 36312421, System 39940733, System 49372097, System 51623361, System 56204818, System 59614452, System 62659351, System 63709256, System 64327252, System 64862505, System 65149161, System 65149202, System 66082786, System 69788609, System 69789319, System 74827691, System 76000954, System 76001024, System18339738 |
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| | In response to post by Sam Cook of 2/16/07 (9:28) > You do not understand the difference between real accounts and paper-trading accounts...
But I do! This has been my point all along: your accounts are
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Are you sure? You do not even understand a paper trading account nor how to trade them. You do not understand facts. I guess it is not fun eating macroni and cheese 3 times a day in a little old shack? |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | james ballord ( C2 Score: 959) |
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| When: | 2/16/07 (10:04) | |
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| | In response to post by Pal Anand of 2/16/07 (9:33) Are you sure? You do not even understand a paper trading account nor how to trade them. You do not understand facts....
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Well I'm off for a cheese sandwich. Lunch time in the UK! |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Sam Cook ( C2 Score: 276) |
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| | In response to post by Pal Anand of 2/16/07 (9:33) Are you sure? You do not even understand a paper trading account nor how to trade them. You do not understand facts....
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> I guess it is not fun eating macroni and cheese 3 times a day in a little old shack?
I like mac and cheese! And give me a little beach shack any time.
That doesn't help your C2 track record though..... |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Pal Anand ( C2 Score: 988) |
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| When: | 2/16/07 (10:15) | |
| Systems: | Direxion (FAS/FAZ), Direxion BGU/BGZ, Direxion DRN/DRV, Direxion DZK/DPK, Direxion EDC/EDZ, Direxion ERX/ERY, Direxion LBJ/LHB, Direxion MWJ/MWN, Direxion NUGT/DUST, Direxion SOXL/SOXS, Direxion TMF/TMV, Direxion TNA/TZA, Extreme Stocks, ProShares AGQ/ZSL, Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ, ProShares UCO/SCO, ProShares UGL/GLL, Proshares UPRO/SPXU, ProShares UUP/UDN, ProShares UVXY, ProShares UYM/SMN, ProShares XPP/FXP, System 78433109, System 1200737, System 13513226, System 14747274, System 14900604, System 17333270, System 18570303, System 21001636, System 22811602, System 25126348, System 25286922, System 25480083, System 26583686, System 26874100, System 28959109, System 30070387, System 30091398, System 30092309, System 32171590, System 33686814, System 36312421, System 39940733, System 49372097, System 51623361, System 56204818, System 59614452, System 62659351, System 63709256, System 64327252, System 64862505, System 65149161, System 65149202, System 66082786, System 69788609, System 69789319, System 74827691, System 76000954, System 76001024, System18339738 |
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| | In response to post by Sam Cook of 2/16/07 (10:11) > I guess it is not fun eating macroni and cheese 3 times a day in a little old shack?
I like mac and cheese! And give me a little beach shack any time....
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>I like mac and cheese! And give me a little beach shack any time.
Is that what you are eating? That's ok. I guess that is all you could afford.
>That doesn't help your C2 track record though.....
You call that a track record. I guess you have never traded in a real account. |
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| Subject: | Hawk-fx still around? |
| Posted by: | Pal Anand ( C2 Score: 988) |
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| When: | 2/16/07 (10:26) | |
| Systems: | Direxion (FAS/FAZ), Direxion BGU/BGZ, Direxion DRN/DRV, Direxion DZK/DPK, Direxion EDC/EDZ, Direxion ERX/ERY, Direxion LBJ/LHB, Direxion MWJ/MWN, Direxion NUGT/DUST, Direxion SOXL/SOXS, Direxion TMF/TMV, Direxion TNA/TZA, Extreme Stocks, ProShares AGQ/ZSL, Proshares TQQQ/SQQQ, ProShares UCO/SCO, ProShares UGL/GLL, Proshares UPRO/SPXU, ProShares UUP/UDN, ProShares UVXY, ProShares UYM/SMN, ProShares XPP/FXP, System 78433109, System 1200737, System 13513226, System 14747274, System 14900604, System 17333270, System 18570303, System 21001636, System 22811602, System 25126348, System 25286922, System 25480083, System 26583686, System 26874100, System 28959109, System 30070387, System 30091398, System 30092309, System 32171590, System 33686814, System 36312421, System 39940733, System 49372097, System 51623361, System 56204818, System 59614452, System 62659351, System 63709256, System 64327252, System 64862505, System 65149161, System 65149202, System 66082786, System 69788609, System 69789319, System 74827691, System 76000954, System 76001024, System18339738 |
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| | In response to post by Sam Cook of 2/16/07 (10:11) > I guess it is not fun eating macroni and cheese 3 times a day in a little old shack?
I like mac and cheese! And give me a little beach shack any time....
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>And give me a little beach shack any time.
So, you don't even own that beach shack. I guess you are just squatting there. Thats ok. I guess that's all you could afford... |
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